Part 1a in an Occasional Series
Nov. 20th, 2016 02:49 amGlass 1 of Jameson well gone (finally, my 1st ever Irish whiskey, glass 3 of wine in effect (no longer a mystery: it's Gin Place brew, 'cause that was already open in contrast to the Cheap Ass White Wine that was brought).
(I think the title here is largely, but not completely, a lie; since rather than speaking to This Changes Everything this is going to continue this consideration of the Left/Right framing in light in Recent Developments).
[PPS. If you've been wondering what the hell I've been doing rather than writing this the answer is chattering, petting cats, eating things, letting a Dalek melt in my hand, watching an octopus in a parking lot, watching salmon crossing a road, etc. etc. yadda yadda].
Right, so:
"If conservatives are inherent system justifiers, and therefore bridle before facts that call the dominant economic system into question, then most leftists are inherent system questioners, and therefore prone to skepticism about facts that come from corporations and government" (45)
This sort of think (uh, thing) haunts me when it comes to an analysis like this.
(And the words "like this" is extremely important in this case as I don't actually like that article almost [but not quite!] in 'the least' [the least parts at the very least includes the framing image, which I think works very well for what [I think] I'm about to say]).
The first thing I have to say, which I think is very important, is that in relation to many other people that I'm sure exist I have a harder (but by no means insurmountable) time dealng with the so-called 'Left/Right' split. This centrally has to do with the "trade agreements" piece in the wake of "Brexit" and the turn in the U.S. (the 'by no means insurmpountable' has to do with the part where the so-called 'ruling left' is actually the neo-liberal left which is still all very into that whole "trade relationships" thing while being presented as the Actual Left by folks like, uhhhhhhh, The Economist).
So what I'm mostly going to speak to here is that image of the "leftist" who wants to "fight fair" vs. the "rightest" (yike) who doesn't RE: "conservatives are inherent system justifiers, and therefore bridle before facts that call the dominant economic system into question, then most leftists are inherent system questioners" because there seems to be here the (extremely unfortunate!) ascendance of the so-called "alt-right" who, in point of fact is so deeply uninterested in being a "system justifer" that they'll smear about the term "cuck" for others perceived to be on the right (But Not Quite Right Enough -- the 'System Justifiers').
So I have an Extra Layer of Problem Here where the "system justifiers" I can anticipate ways to work with. The "fuck the system-ers" (be they right or left) are harder.
And the fuck the system-ers are so much harder for me to deal with on the right than on the left because I at least understand where the left tends to be coming from.
The, uh, "alt-right' though... I struggle to make sense of and this is my central weakness (in the frame of that article and possibly in the frame of reality): if you accept the left hand side, the so-called "system questioner" side, the biggest problem with being into that is that you question something to make sense of it and I am becoming increasingly sympathetic to the position that the "alt-right" cannot be apprehended through rationality and questioning (though it does open up interesting avenues to aligning with the, uh, "system justifier" right [that you may well hope won't go the same direction as the anti-porn feminist "left" working with the Christian right]).
Two key sum-ups on this:
1. If there are 'system questioners' and 'system justifiers' you can work with that 'cause there is a commonality. When that commonality is broken (the cucks and the libtards) then you need to find a new way of working. The most immediate alternative is the "getting the bastards" model but if you are so throughly committed to your so-called "rational" model then even that isn't a (current) option (and you stay at risk of uselessly spinning your brain wheels on the issue or the end of self with extreme prejustice more of an immediate issue without resolution it becomes).
2. I clearly shouldn't actually do this on NaDruWriNi as I've already forgotten #2.
Anything profound or useful here? Nope! But I struggle and I struggle and I struggle and I don't forget or overwrite why this is currently an issue).
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And, just so I don't end this free of so-called climate-content there is this (where I cannot help but let my "the map in not the territory" self seep in), which I am nonetheless happy to see someone attempt.
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And, for the record, this is indeed all you'll be getting this Drunk WriNi 'cause at this point I need to get on 2 bleedin' buses and get home!
(I think the title here is largely, but not completely, a lie; since rather than speaking to This Changes Everything this is going to continue this consideration of the Left/Right framing in light in Recent Developments).
[PPS. If you've been wondering what the hell I've been doing rather than writing this the answer is chattering, petting cats, eating things, letting a Dalek melt in my hand, watching an octopus in a parking lot, watching salmon crossing a road, etc. etc. yadda yadda].
Right, so:
"If conservatives are inherent system justifiers, and therefore bridle before facts that call the dominant economic system into question, then most leftists are inherent system questioners, and therefore prone to skepticism about facts that come from corporations and government" (45)
This sort of think (uh, thing) haunts me when it comes to an analysis like this.
(And the words "like this" is extremely important in this case as I don't actually like that article almost [but not quite!] in 'the least' [the least parts at the very least includes the framing image, which I think works very well for what [I think] I'm about to say]).
The first thing I have to say, which I think is very important, is that in relation to many other people that I'm sure exist I have a harder (but by no means insurmountable) time dealng with the so-called 'Left/Right' split. This centrally has to do with the "trade agreements" piece in the wake of "Brexit" and the turn in the U.S. (the 'by no means insurmpountable' has to do with the part where the so-called 'ruling left' is actually the neo-liberal left which is still all very into that whole "trade relationships" thing while being presented as the Actual Left by folks like, uhhhhhhh, The Economist).
So what I'm mostly going to speak to here is that image of the "leftist" who wants to "fight fair" vs. the "rightest" (yike) who doesn't RE: "conservatives are inherent system justifiers, and therefore bridle before facts that call the dominant economic system into question, then most leftists are inherent system questioners" because there seems to be here the (extremely unfortunate!) ascendance of the so-called "alt-right" who, in point of fact is so deeply uninterested in being a "system justifer" that they'll smear about the term "cuck" for others perceived to be on the right (But Not Quite Right Enough -- the 'System Justifiers').
So I have an Extra Layer of Problem Here where the "system justifiers" I can anticipate ways to work with. The "fuck the system-ers" (be they right or left) are harder.
And the fuck the system-ers are so much harder for me to deal with on the right than on the left because I at least understand where the left tends to be coming from.
The, uh, "alt-right' though... I struggle to make sense of and this is my central weakness (in the frame of that article and possibly in the frame of reality): if you accept the left hand side, the so-called "system questioner" side, the biggest problem with being into that is that you question something to make sense of it and I am becoming increasingly sympathetic to the position that the "alt-right" cannot be apprehended through rationality and questioning (though it does open up interesting avenues to aligning with the, uh, "system justifier" right [that you may well hope won't go the same direction as the anti-porn feminist "left" working with the Christian right]).
Two key sum-ups on this:
1. If there are 'system questioners' and 'system justifiers' you can work with that 'cause there is a commonality. When that commonality is broken (the cucks and the libtards) then you need to find a new way of working. The most immediate alternative is the "getting the bastards" model but if you are so throughly committed to your so-called "rational" model then even that isn't a (current) option (and you stay at risk of uselessly spinning your brain wheels on the issue or the end of self with extreme prejustice more of an immediate issue without resolution it becomes).
2. I clearly shouldn't actually do this on NaDruWriNi as I've already forgotten #2.
Anything profound or useful here? Nope! But I struggle and I struggle and I struggle and I don't forget or overwrite why this is currently an issue).
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And, just so I don't end this free of so-called climate-content there is this (where I cannot help but let my "the map in not the territory" self seep in), which I am nonetheless happy to see someone attempt.
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And, for the record, this is indeed all you'll be getting this Drunk WriNi 'cause at this point I need to get on 2 bleedin' buses and get home!